the busy times for the beer business. so we had to work. so at 10 he had us in the warehouse sweeping the floors. the job -- we did every job there was to do. >> larry: gavin, was he tough on you? >> absolutely. well, my father used to say, i'm not going to leave you anything. you're going to have to work for it. if you don't work for it, i'll leave it all to charity. so we did. >> larry: a good idea, gavin. >> a good idea. but when you're 10, 11 years old, do you want to work on a saturday, holidays? probably not. but looking back it was probably the best thing that ever happened to us. >> larry: did he have a tendency, adrienne, to spoil you, being the only girl? >> of course. i can answer that. yes, he did. but also i admire he was ahead of his time as well. he wanted me to be independent, wanted me to go out and learn the things that my brothers were learning. so i admire him for his tenacity, that's right. and able to let me be myself. >> larry: but he always, george, kept a strong hand? >> pretty much. my mother took over when he didn't. so my mother's done a great job as well.